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DishmanDelirious
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:43 pm    Post subject: TranSouth referee calamity Reply with quote

We had ja but you brought in dem officials again and got jok with 4 fouls then swallowed the whistle in the last 6 seconds we will get ja at dishman when maybe the officials won't be intimidated by curch neal
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DishmanDelirious wrote:
We had ja but you brought in dem officials again and got jok with 4 fouls then swallowed the whistle in the last 6 seconds we will get ja at dishman when maybe the officials won't be intimidated by curch neal


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GriffinPA wrote:
DishmanDelirious wrote:
We had ja but you brought in dem officials again and got jok with 4 fouls then swallowed the whistle in the last 6 seconds we will get ja at dishman when maybe the officials won't be intimidated by curch neal


Anyone care to translate?


No, not at all! We have reached the end of our broadcasting day!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GriffinPA wrote:
DishmanDelirious wrote:
We had ja but you brought in dem officials again and got jok with 4 fouls then swallowed the whistle in the last 6 seconds we will get ja at dishman when maybe the officials won't be intimidated by curch neal


Anyone care to translate?


My guess at a translation.....

"I feel that the Lady Wildcats were in position for victory, but the officials chose to persecute Ms Djokovic by unfairly giving her 4 fouls. Then the officials decided not to call a foul in the last 6 seconds when a foul obviously occurred. I feel that Bethel will be victorious when FHU visits McKenzie later this year and hopefully the officials will not be influenced by Lady Lion head coach Dale Neal."

How's that sound??



By the way, Bethel has a very good ball team. I mean very good. They'll win a lot of games if their coach ever decides to do a little more coaching and a little less complaining. When you complain about nearly every call that doesn't go your way, eventually it rubs off on the players. It's almost like a built in excuse for losing.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bethel's chip on the shoulder has cost them dearly this year. They loose focus on winning because they think someone is always wronging them in girls B-ball.Read what the coach said in the Jackson Sun.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that Bethel has had a chip on their shoulder or that it has cost them anything this year. I do think that the officials this year are horrible. There also does appear to be a double standard in the league. Certain teams get calls more than other teams do. I was at the Freed game and the Freed players were not being called for hardly anything under the basket while Bethel was getting touch fouls called on them. Maybe the coach finally said what many people are thinking.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you that the officiating is bad in the TSAC. It has been for several years. What I don't agree with is the assertion that some teams get more calls than others.

Just for the record, here are Coach Nelson's comments after the game.....

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"I thought we got popped in the end ... and I thought the officials bailed (FHU) out a couple times," Nelson said. "All four of our post players had four fouls each.

"Regardless of the finish, it seems like we have to do it against seven or eight people sometimes."


I understand emotions run high after a close game and coaches get upset. But there's no excuse for calling the integrity of the officials into question and insulting the conference as a whole. Those kind of comments get you a big fine in a NCAA conference. There's also no excuse for him following the officials halfway across the court as they were heading to the dressing room.

As for the game....

There were several calls that went against both teams throughout the game. There were all kinds of moving screens that didn't get called and a lot of pushing and shoving under the goal that didn't get called or got called wrong, IMO. If you'll remember, Jana Cross sat the last 14 minutes of the first half due to foul trouble. As for the last 15 seconds of the game, there are a few things you should remember. First, Bethel had a chance to tie the game at the FT line and the shooter missed the second free one. You can't blame that on the officials. Secondly, FHU got the rebound off the miss and a Bethel player went through the FHU player's back to knock the ball out of bounds. There was no foul called and the ball went back to Bethel.

And Coach Nelson certainly has a chip on his shoulder. His postgame comments reek of "everybody is out to get us." He starts complaing as soon as the ball is tossed up for the tip and doesn't stop until the game is over. He has become the new Clint Mason of the TranSouth.

If I were a Bethel fan, I think I would be wondering a couple things. First, I would be wondering why we couldn't take advantage of FHU when their all-american post player spent the last 14 minutes of the first half on the bench and were forced to use basically a 4-guard lineup. Secondly, I would be wondering why Djokovic was on the court with two fouls near the end of the first half. Her third foul came on a moving screen with just over a minute to play in the first.

As I said, Bethel has a very talented team. But until they get over this "us against seven or eight" mentality....they will continue to struggle against the top teams in the league.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me begin by saying I have followed this message board for years and never commented but today is different. For the record, I have no personal attachment to any coach or team. I will say the Transouth is my favorite but only because I am close enough to go to different games and listen to the games via radio. I follow all levels of basketball so please do not question my intelligence of the game or how it is being officiated.

The comments toward Coach Nelson are unfair. Why do you ask? If people would step outside the box they live in and keep up with all comments (good or bad), you would know he has never questioned the integrity of the conference, coaches, or players. He has always spoken highly of the conference and the coaches. (if you need proof, I will be happy to provide newspaper articles)FYI, I have the articles for all the colleges/universities in the Transouth.

Coaches are human but we, the fans, tend to forget that. We make them live in a glass house, watching and waiting for them to say or do somthing we may not like. We never want to comment on the good things. That wouldn't be interesting enough to write about.

As far as the officials, let's get real. The Transouth officials are horrible. They are out of touch with the game and can't keep up with the level of play. Most are out-of-shape and really don't care. They are there for the money. How many have ever played the game or coached. If they did play, it was 25 years ago and the game is not played the same. Yes I can speak from experience. I was married to an official and traveled down many roads to games and yes politics play a part in the calls. Some teams and some players are favored more than others. You will not get an official to go on record to make that statement, but I have witnessed many conversations over the years and it does happen.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion as I have shared mine, but Bigfatguy you are out of line with your comments about Coach Nelson and the Bethel team. Maybe you need to step back into time, I have seen Union, Freed, Lambuth, and Trevecca coaches all get after the officials during and after the game. No different than what Coach Nelson did last night. But then again we never think our own coach does anything wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bballfan63 wrote:
Let me begin by saying I have followed this message board for years and never commented but today is different. For the record, I have no personal attachment to any coach or team. I follow all levels of basketball so please do not question my intelligence of the game or how it is being officiated.

I call BS, don't come on here thinking we are stupid and going to by this. You are a fan of some team more than others. I am a fan of several teams in the conference. I have experience coaching and officiating and administrating and playing. I do have my favorites though I don't have A favorite in this conference. Just say what you want, but don't write that you don't have a edge to you in cheering or not cheering for some. You obviously have a leaning toward Bethel

The comments toward Coach Nelson are unfair. Why? he has never questioned the integrity of the conference, coaches, or players. He has always spoken highly of the conference and the coaches. (if you need proof, I will be happy to provide newspaper articles)FYI, I have the articles for all the colleges/universities in the Transouth.

Let's see the proof then. I don't think you have it.

As far as the officials, let's get real. The Transouth officials are horrible. They are out of touch with the game and can't keep up with the level of play. Most are out-of-shape and really don't care. They are there for the money. How many have ever played the game or coached. If they did play, it was 25 years ago and the game is not played the same. Yes I can speak from experience. I was married to an official and traveled down many roads to games and yes politics play a part in the calls. Some teams and some players are favored more than others. You will not get an official to go on record to make that statement, but I have witnessed many conversations over the years and it does happen.

Here is where we all agree. The officials are mostly embarrassing in the TranSouth. They are biased against coaches and teams. At Freed you can't get a call. You do have to beat them. It is just known. Men's basketball is bad for the physicality they allow. I have written here before that the reason the men's side doesn't do well in KC is because they don't know about to play there largely because the officiating is so different. I like Coach Nelson saying what he did. It won't be resolved until Commissioner Hutton is out of governing the officials. I have said that before and someone new comes in not affiliated directly with the conference and they clean house of most of the current officials. Freed might get more benefit because of the style of clutch and grab they play. Union plays a more finesse game in women's play. Lyon gets away with the same at home especially. Coach Nelson was pretty close to accurate. Coach Nelson does hurt himself though with all his complaining. Pick your spots. Coach Shelton at Freed is bad at complaining. The worst is Coach Sharpe at Martin.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well put, but I actually don't pull for one more than the other just enjoy the game. I stay less stressed that way. I do like Bethel and think Coach Nelson has done a good job especially coming into the Transouth. I guess I just hate to read negative comments all the time.

I actually do keep all basketball articles from the Transouth, Memphis Tigers, SEC schools. That is my hobby. I wasn't trying to be ugly, just thought Bigfatfguy thought I might be bias.

Just for the record and not that you care, I enjoy reading your posts. They are usually to the point and worth reading.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bballfan63 wrote:
Let me begin by saying I have followed this message board for years and never commented but today is different. For the record, I have no personal attachment to any coach or team. I will say the Transouth is my favorite but only because I am close enough to go to different games and listen to the games via radio. I follow all levels of basketball so please do not question my intelligence of the game or how it is being officiated.


Welcome to the board.

Bballfan63 wrote:
The comments toward Coach Nelson are unfair. Why do you ask? If people would step outside the box they live in and keep up with all comments (good or bad), you would know he has never questioned the integrity of the conference, coaches, or players.


Actually, he did question their integrity just last night with this statement.....
"Regardless of the finish, it seems like we have to do it against seven or eight people sometimes..."
He is accusing the officials of deliberately giving him the short end of the stick and accusing the conference of letting it happen.

Bballfan63 wrote:
Coaches are human but we, the fans, tend to forget that. We make them live in a glass house, watching and waiting for them to say or do somthing we may not like. We never want to comment on the good things. That wouldn't be interesting enough to write about.


Agreed. It's a lot easier to talk about the bad than the good.

Bballfan63 wrote:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion as I have shared mine, but Bigfatguy you are out of line with your comments about Coach Nelson and the Bethel team.


Sorry you feel that way. I feel that my comments are spot-on and there are more people that agree with me than disagree.

Bballfan63 wrote:
Maybe you need to step back into time, I have seen Union, Freed, Lambuth, and Trevecca coaches all get after the officials during and after the game. No different than what Coach Nelson did last night. But then again we never think our own coach does anything wrong.


In 15 years of watching TSAC women's basketball, I have never seen Dale Neal or Mark Campbell pursue the officials as they were leaving the court. Last night wasn't the first time Coach Nelson did this, he did it last year when Bethel played TNU as well. I saw it with my own eyes. Sure, all coaches get on the officials during the game, that's nothing new. However, I think Coach Nelson goes beyond "getting on" the officials and moves into "constant complaint" territory. I've sat courtside for hundreds of women's games in half a dozen gyms over the last 15 years and he is, since Clint Mason left the conference, the worst complainer in the league. It starts shortly after tip-off and only stops when Bethel has a sizable enough lead to relax or the game ends.

Bballfan63 wrote:
I do like Bethel and think Coach Nelson has done a good job especially coming into the Transouth.


You'll get no argument from me. Coach Nelson has done a very good job of getting Bethel on the national map, last year's nat'l tourney appearance is proof of that. I just feel he needs to coach a little more and complain a little less. I think it adversely affects his players and inhibits his ability to manage the game.

CalmPhil wrote:
It won't be resolved until Commissioner Hutton is out of governing the officials. I have said that before and someone new comes in not affiliated directly with the conference and they clean house of most of the current officials.


You're probably right. You're not the first person who has said this and won't be the last. I'd imagine Mr. Hutton will be around a while longer.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another point I forgot to make. I think the "bad" calls are more a road/home thing as opposed to one or two specific teams getting all the calls (on both the mens and women's side). For years it's been said that Lyon, Martin Methodist, Bethel, FHU, UU, etc are tough places to play because the visiting team doesn't get many calls. If the officials were truly playing favorites, Union and Freed would get all the calls no matter where they play; which, in my observation, isn't the case.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its called lobbing for the next call. refs do listen...ask Coach Van Atta. Most coaches can multi task ! Its a part of the game . Coach Neal does it every game. He drops heavy words ( Nothing Bad) to the officials ..just can be intimidating. And Coach Coach Campbell carries weight as well when he says something softly. Maybe these guys have just payed the dues. If my research is correct Coach Nelson has not recieved a techinal all year.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theworldsgreatest23 wrote:
Its called lobbing for the next call. refs do listen...ask Coach Van Atta. Most coaches can multi task ! Its a part of the game . Coach Neal does it every game. He drops heavy words ( Nothing Bad) to the officials ..just can be intimidating. And Coach Coach Campbell carries weight as well when he says something softly. Maybe these guys have just payed the dues. If my research is correct Coach Nelson has not recieved a techinal all year.


I like the way you said that. I've never heard it called "heavy words" before.

I get what you're saying about arguing this call in hopes of getting the next one; you see it all the time in every sport. But if you argue 90% of the calls that go against you, eventually it has to have a negative effect on your team. As I've said before, when you constantly complain to the officials, it acts as a sort of ready-made excuse if your team loses. In a former life I was a coach and know first-hand how players will begin to blame the officials for a loss if they see their coach arguing non-stop.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe he just does it ( complains) in those games ( FHU/ Union) because he feels its a "double standard" and defending his girls. They seem to play hard for him!

You just don't see it with Coach Campbell a lot because his team always has the game in hand. And when he does complain his hands are always in his pocket and he is quite in that ear. Seems to work! Maybe Van Atta and Nelsien need to pay attention.
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